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 Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?

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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 9:50 am

from the evidence though he should have known that it was his men that did it. study
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I think his point was that you cant always stop your troops from doing something.
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I nkow, I guess you can't always stop someone or peole from doing what they want. study
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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 9:53 am

That was the point of the story.
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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 1:13 pm

General Stuart wrote:
Oppie, you know something is wrong when Sherman sees his own men destroying a church, and simply says, "They had it coming..."
This is an exerpt from a transcript I found:
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Pillaging continued throughout the city. Women and men, black and white were robbed of their valuables at gun and knife point.99 Black women were raped.100

(btw, if you want to know what account or book that quote came from, I can easily give it to you)

Does that answer the question, Oppie? Not only do these villains invade a city that has already submitted to their occupation and DESTROY and BURN CHURCHES and CONVENTS, they commit rape on the very people they're supposedly down their to "free." And Sherman, who was NOT in a "drunken rage" as you put it, looked on the scene and said "They had it coming." As if it was HIS right and duty to dispense HIS version of "justice"? He sounds dangerously alot like John Brown to me.... And by no means were all of the men who destroyed the city drunk, not at all. This is clear if you read the entire exerpt. There are bad soldiers in every army, but what Sherman's men did, and what Sherman himself openly permitted and promoted, was evil.
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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 1:30 pm

And about IBG's story, I thought that the moral was, people don't see what they don't want to. Simple as that. Any soldier with stripes on his arm of bars on his shoulder has more than enough power to stop any actions they don't approve of going on in the ranks, especially such relatively trivial acts as tearing down fences. My grandfather was a combat platoon sergeant in Korea, and he has lots of good stories telling how he got his "problem guys" to get in line. Besides people, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY EVEN HAVE DIFFERENT RANKS IN THE MILITARY? Protocol, and all of that? Because that is the only thing that seperates an army from a mob. You know, there is a thing called MUTINY, it exists in the army just as well as in the navy. Mutiny is when a soldier of group of soldiers refuses to obey and follow orders. The punishment for mutiny is anywhere from death by firing squad to lashing, or, (in Sherman's army) anywhere from no punishment at all, to reward!


But actually, in the story, it sounded alot like the soldiers tore down the fence in pure spite of their commanding officer, not because they really wanted to. (tearing down fences requires work, and they were on a rest stop for a reason, to take a breather before continuing the march) Another interesting bit of insite into the Union army!
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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 1:50 pm

Well, the union troops never got the dying respect for the commanders either. AOTP is famous for it.
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Very true. But we're getting away from the subject. Very Happy
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Yes we are.
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So Oppie, what did you think of the transcripts? Question Very Happy
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Stuart dont make me hurt you. afro
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Think up a new line afroman. And answer the question for cryin' out loud... Very Happy
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Dont make me............I will hurt you...................i'll bring my oversized foot down on you head. afro
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PostSubject: Re: Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general?   Sherman a Hero or a Terorist general? - Page 11 EmptyFri Dec 01, 2006 3:17 pm

You still didn't answer the question.... Rolling Eyes


typical liberal yankee. you prove them wrong, and they react with violence... Rolling Eyes when will it end?
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Please restate the question my good man. afro
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General Stuart wrote:
So Oppie, what did you think of the transcripts? Question Very Happy

You know, there's a thing on the side of the page, to the right, that let's you scroll up and down. you should learn how to use it sometime, it really comes in handy.... Very Happy Now, answer please.
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I think that before I can believe them,
I would have to verify them with a trusted source. afro
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You mean you've never read up on this subject before? Otherwise, you should be able to see what you didn't already know and fit it in with the other pieces of the puzzle.
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I've only read parts, and I wouldent assume that your sources are true without consulting another. Very Happy afro
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Well, I'm glad that you are FINALLY searching for facts to back up your weak arguements lol. Very Happy However, when you are done, and you see that what I have said is true, then I want you to do like you promised Civ you would, and "drop Sherman like a sack of corn." Laughing
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Stuart dont make me hurt you. afro
As Jeb and I have said before... These are typical Yankee tactics... lol (very ineffective over the internet.) lol
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But since they know each other in real life, VERY effective haha
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believe me, if we're talking about Oppie, it's just as ineffective as if he lived 3000 miles away. Laughing

bring it on old man! Twisted Evil
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OPPIE IS AN OLD MAN?!?!!?!!?! dude.. I didn't know that... Wink
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Oh yeah, I'm really 67 with liver spots on my head and a cane in my hand. Rolling Eyes
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