Causes of the War

What do you think were some of the causes in the War for Southern Independace?

To powerful of a central government. (Which led to over taxation)

There are many causes, states rights, the already too powerful central government, commerce, and of course everybody say it with me.....slavery.

Hm... I'd have to disagree with you there. Slavery wasn't the CAUSE of the civil war...

Now Civ, did I come out and say that the whole war was fought over slavery and slavery alone? No. There are many other factors that caused the war, which some I listed in my post above.

Yes you're right. I apolgize

Now one thing I found out, I dont know if everyone else does, is that the North had slaves before the south did.

yep yep. Some people say they had slaves even during the CW but I've got to do some more research before I can say thats true.

Yes the did. The states Missouri, Kentucky Maryland and Delaware all had slaves and werent technically Confederate states. (though Kentucky and Missouri had stars for their states on the Confederate Flag. If you read the Emancipation Proclamation carefully you will see that it only freed the slaves in the Confederate states and left the Northern slaves in bondage.

Yep. It did. I've got it memorized....

Slavery wasn't the only cause of the Civil War, but, it can't be ruled out as a cause. Many of the northern soldiers believed that was why Mr. Lincoln was calling them to arms. One of the main reasons the South left the Union was because they felt Lincoln would take away their slaves. But, Lincoln only wanted slavery to stay in the areas it already exsisted, and not to extend to the West where the South was trying to push for the ability to have slaves.

Ok all you, there were slaves here before there was a United States, for example, the Spanish made slaves of the Aztec Indians after attacking them. There were slaves in Jamestown when John Smith came here to this country. They were usually Africans who had been stolen from their home and then shipped and sold to sailors, then people here bought bought them. Usually they were freed after the debt to pay their passage here was paid, but some lilked the "free" labor and wouldn't release them.

No matter who started slavery or where, it doesn't matter as much as the fact that slavery is wrong. That the people from any side had the idea that slavery was ok is dumb. But that is easy for us to say, we aren't living in those times.

No I never said it wasn't wrong. I never said anything about who started it. I'm just tired of people saying that if you have a confederate flag or something like that we're racist. You may not hear stuff like that a lot if you don't live here, but its everywhere. I have heard a politician from the north say that every Southerner who honors the Confedearcy was in the KKK. She hadn't even been to the south before!

I'd like to hear about that story.

Yeah I was afraid you might have taken it that I thought you were in favor of it. I was just making the point that neither the north or the south started slavery. There are too many people who want to blame the other side. But it just wasn't like that. I think it is too bad that people think the southerners are all in the wrong. There is no thought like that here.
I know plenty of people from the south and quite frankly I fiind many more friendly than most anywhere. DOn't worry there is nothing wrong with the south that the west can't fix. ha ha

You just can't say one side is right and the other is wrong completely, this just applies to every conflicts history has seen so far.

I just think that you gotta hear what BOTH sides have to say in order to be really fair and be your own judge of what really happened.

That's just the reality of what happens in a War.

Everyone has their own reasons to fight.

Like I said, I'm not the that Confedearcy was 100% right, nor the Union. I've read both side, I know what wrong the south did and the north did. I'm not one of those really scary "neo-confederate", as I've heard some people call them, but I also don't believe that the north was the Savior of every slave.

Adrocles wrote:

You just can't say one side is right and the other is wrong completely, this just applies to every conflicts history has seen so far.

I just think that you gotta hear what BOTH sides have to say in order to be really fair and be your own judge of what really happened.

That's just the reality of what happens in a War.

Everyone has their own reasons to fight.

Can you say the following without contradicing yourself.....?

The Germans werent wrong on every thing. The Allied Forces werent right on everything. The Allied forces were right and the Germans were wrong.

I believe you can.


With out contradicing myself can I say the following?

I dont believe the Confederates were right on every thing. I dont believe the Federals to be wrong on everything. I believe that the Confederates were right.

I believe can say all those thing and not be contradicting myself. will you tell me if Im right or not (on whether im contradicing myself or not)?

Did you ever watch any videos of the Nuremberg trials?

You know? when just about every German Top-Commanders were to be prosecuted and judged...Except for Hitler and Goebbels, because they were already dead.

First there was Admiral Doenitz of the Kriegsmarine, who actually despised the Nazi party. Even Admiral Nimitz said that he had ordered the same things against the Japanese.

And the Soviet Red Army wasn't exactly the type to be forgiving against the Germans with Stalin around in Moscow, which was no surprise knowing that the Soviets had 20 millions people (Civilian and Military personnal) dead because of World War 2.

Not to mention a bunch of German top-Generals had actually tried to assassinate Hitler two or three times during the War.

There were at least TWO types of Commanders in Germany during World War 2.

Those who were only doing their duty as Military Commanders

Those who were playing lap-dogs with the Nazi Party.

Oh and pay a close attention to what Goering said during the Nuremberg trials

UM.. don't want to be rude, but this is really off subject. Could we take this to one of the other sections?

Yeah I'm sorry about that.

Just wanted to make my point clear

No problem. I know its hard to stay on subject

So Adroceles, you dont believe one side is right one side is wrong?

To answer your question I simply don't believe in that way of thinking when it comes to War.

There are always screw-ups both sides eventually do in just every war known to man.

In order to be fair, you just gotta know what was the story and both sides did, what were their reasons, what did they had to gain in the process.

What you guys aren't saying, is that while slavery wasn't THE cause of the Civil War, it created a difference, that created sectionalism, that created debate, arguement, and eventually hate within the nation. That said, I do not believe that slavery caused the war, and I call the emancipation proclamation Lincoln's cheap last-gasp effort to rally the support of the governments of Europe, as well as the people of the north.
I also believe the south was totally justified in its complaints against the north, and that they had a plausible argument when it came to the constitutionality of seccession.