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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm | |
| <STRONG><EM>"We are frank to admit that Colonel Stone seems to make out his case against the authenticity of this letter, and we regret having republished it. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm | |
| <STRONG><EM>"We are frank to admit that Colonel Stone seems to make out his case against the authenticity of this letter, and we regret having republished it. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:37 pm | |
| The Forager of W.T. Sherman's army will remain one of the more identifiable traits of the march. In a march that has the reputation of having few major engagements, it was the actions committed by these bummers that have gotten the most attention by history and their rebel adversaries." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:37 pm | |
| Then in 1901 the Southern Historical Society followed up with this: <B>"This letter (above) was published in the Southern Historical Society Papers, in March, 1884. About a year thereafter, one Colonel Henry Stone, styling himself "Late Brevet-Colonel U. S. Volunteers, A. A. G. Army of the Cumberland," realizing the gravity of the statements contained in this letter, and the disgrace these, if uncontradicted, would bring on General Sherman and his army, and especially on the staff, of which he (Colonel Stone) was a member, wrote a letter to the Rev. J. William Jones, D. D., the then editor of the Historical Society Papers, in which he undertook to show that the Myers letter was not written by any officer in General Sherman's army. (This letter can be found in Vol. 13, S. H. S. Papers, page 439.) The reasons assigned by Colonel Stone were plausibly set forth, and Dr. Jones, in his anxiety to do justice even to Sherman's "bummers," after publishing Colonel Stone's letter, said editorially, he was "frank to admit that Colonel Stone seems to have made out his case against the authenticity of this letter." If the matter had rested here, we would not have thought of using this letter in our report, notwithstanding the fact (1) that we think the letter bears the impress of genuineness on its face; (2) it is vouched for by what Dr. Jones termed a "responsible source," and what the first paper publishing it cited as a "distinguished lady," who, it also stated, said that the original was "still preserved and could be shown and substantiated ;" (3) the statements contained in Colonel Stone's letter are only his statements, uncorroborated and not vouched for by any one, or by any documentary evidence of any kind, and being those of an alleged accomplice, are not entitled to any <I>weight in a court of justice; (4) we think the reasons assigned by Colonel Stone for the non-genuineness of this letter are for the most part not inconsistent with its genuineness; and (5) some of his statements are, apparently, inconsistent with some of the facts as they appear in the records we have examined, e. g., He says "that of the ninety regiments of Sherman's army, which might have passed on the march near Camden, S. C., but a single one--a New Jersey regiment--was from the Middle States. All the rest were from the West. A letter (he says) from the only Thomas J. Myers ever in the army would never contain such a phrase," referring to the fact that Myers had said this stolen jewelry, &c., would be scattered "all over the North and Middle States." Sherman's statement of the organization of his army on this march shows there were several regiments in it from New York and Pennsylvania, besides one from Maryland and one from New Jersey (all four Middle States). But we think this, like other reasons assigned by Colonel Stone, are without merit. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:38 pm | |
| <B><I>But, as we have said, notwithstanding all these things which seemingly discredit the reasons assigned by Colonel Stone for the non-genuineness of this letter, we should not have used the letter in this report, had not the substantial statements in it been confirmed, as we shall now see. The Myers' letter was first published on October 29, 1883. On the 31st of July, 1865, Captain E. J. Hale, Jr., of Fayetteville, N. C., who had been on General James H. Lane's staff, and who is vouched for by General Lane as "an elegant educated gentleman," wrote to General Lane, telling him of the destruction and devastation at his home, and in that letter he makes this statement: | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:38 pm | |
| <B><I>"You have doubtless heard of Sherman's 'bummers.' The Yankees would have you believe that they were only the straggling pillagers usually found in all armies. Several letters written by officers of Sherman's army, intercepted near this town, give this the lie. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:39 pm | |
| <B><I>"In some of these letters were descriptions of the whole bumming process, and from them it appears that it was a regularly organized system, under the authority of General Sherman himself; that one-fifth o£ the proceeds fell to General Sherman, another fifth to the other general officers, another fifth to the line officers, and the remaining two-fifths to the enlisted men." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:39 pm | |
| <B><I>Now, compare this division of the spoils with that set forth in the Myers' letter, published, as we have said, eighteen years later, and it will be seen that they are almost identical, and this statement was taken, as Captain Hale states, from "several letters written by officers of Sherman's army," intercepted near Fayetteville, N. C., and as we have said, they confirm the statements of the Myers' letter, and its consequent genuineness, to a remarkable degree. It is proper, also, to state, that we have recently received a letter from Dr. Jones, in which he states that after carefully considering this whole matter again, he is now satisfied that he was mistaken in his editorial comments on Colonel Stone's letter, that he is now satisfied of the genuineness of the Myers' letter, and that in his opinion we could use it in this report "with perfect propriety and safety." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:40 pm | |
| <B><I>We have discussed this letter thus fully because we feel satisfied that the annals of warfare disclose nothing so venal and depraved. Imagine, if it is possible to do so, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson commanding an army licensed by them to plunder the defenseless, and then sharing in the fruits of this plundering! | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:40 pm | |
| <B><I>We can barely allude to Sherman's burning of Columbia, the proof of which is too conclusive to admit of controversy. On the 18th December, 1864, General H. W. Halleck, major-general and chief-of-staff of the armies of the United States, wrote Sherman as follows: | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:40 pm | |
| <B><I>"Should you capture Charleston, I hope that by some accident the place may be destroyed, and if a little salt should be thrown upon its site, it may prevent the future growth of nullification and secession." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:41 pm | |
| <B><I>To this suggestion from this high source to commit murder, arson and robbery, and pretend it was by accident, Sherman replied on December 24, 1664, as follows: | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:41 pm | |
| <B> <I>"I will bear in mind your hint as to Charleston, and do not think that 'salt' will be necessary. When I move the Fifteenth corps will be on the right of the right wing, and their position will naturally bring them into Charleston first, and if you have watched the history of that corps, you will have remarked that they generally do their work pretty well; the truth is, the whole army is burning with an insatiable desire to wreak vengeance upon South Carolina. I almost tremble for her fate, but feel that she deserves all that seems in store for her. I look upon Columbia as quite as bad as Charleston, and I doubt if we shall spare the public buildings there, as we did at Milledgeville." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:42 pm | |
| <STRONG><EM>(See 2 Sherman's Memoirs, pages 223, 227-8.) | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:42 pm | |
| <B><I>We say proof of his ordering (or permitting, which is just as bad) the destruction of Columbia is overwhelming. (See report of Chancellor Carroll, chairman of a committee appointed to investigate the facts about this in General Bradley T. Johnson's Life of Johnson, from which several of these extracts are taken.) Our people owe General Johnson a debt of gratitude for this and his other contributions Confederate history. And Sherman had the effrontery to write in his Memoirs that in his official report of this conflagration, he distinctly charged it to General Wade Hampton, and (says) confess I did so pointedly go shake the faith of his people in him." (2 Sherman's Memoirs, page 287.) | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:43 pm | |
| <B><I>On the 21st of February, 1865, only a few days after the burning of Columbia, General Hampton wrote to General Sherman, charging him with being responsible for its destruction, and other outrages, in which he said, among other things: | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:43 pm | |
| <B>"You permitted, if you have not ordered, the commission of these offences against humanity and the rules of war. You fired into the city of Columbia without a word of warning. After its surrender by the mayor, who demanded protection to private property, you laid the whole city in ashes, leaving amid its ruins thousands of old men and helpless women and children, who are likely to perish of starvation and exposure. Your line of march can be traced by the lurid light of burning houses, and in more than one household there is an agony far more bitter than death." | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:44 pm | |
| There, I'm done for now. | |
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The Opposition Army Commander
Number of posts : 1917 Age : 109 Localisation : ............. Registration date : 2006-10-26
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:50 am | |
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Iron Brigade General President
Number of posts : 1811 Age : 35 Localisation : Playing robber with the nerdy cops Registration date : 2006-10-03
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:56 am | |
| That's way to many posts you did in a row. And, I believe I have read that before. | |
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coby Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1542 Age : 34 Localisation : Nebraska Registration date : 2006-10-18
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:57 am | |
| thats a lot of posts in a row. | |
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The Opposition Army Commander
Number of posts : 1917 Age : 109 Localisation : ............. Registration date : 2006-10-26
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:05 am | |
| I think he had that available from something else. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:36 pm | |
| Oppie, I already stated that I was quoting from a couple of readily-available sites online (I usually don't include pictures lol). I know, it was alot of posts in a row, but it wouldn't let me post paragraphs and sentences in between quotation marks all at once. So, I had to do it in several consecutive posts. Oppie, I think this finally settles the rape question once and for all. (read the first post on page two) | |
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Iron Brigade General President
Number of posts : 1811 Age : 35 Localisation : Playing robber with the nerdy cops Registration date : 2006-10-03
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:56 pm | |
| Thanks Stuart for the first post in which you I was the only one to take the time to research my stuff. After 10 years I hope I did do my study. | |
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General Stuart Iron Brigade
Number of posts : 1465 Age : 34 Localisation : central California Registration date : 2006-10-23
| Subject: Re: Sherman's March ot the Sea Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:46 pm | |
| no problem | |
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